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1　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2005/08/04(Thu) 22:45: 噂では、排ガス記号が｢E-｣の車も、ディーゼル車のように車検が受けられなくする法案が出されているそうです。
法案が可決されると、おそらく大都市圏でMR2は絶滅してしまいます。
かつて、Nox･PM法の時、ディーゼルワゴン車乗りは、何も知らないまま、突然、
愛車があと数年しか乗れない事を宣告され、乗り換えを余儀なくされました。
そんな事が許されていいのでしょうか？
何か情報がありましたら、お願いします。
2　 たいちょ　 2005/08/04(Thu) 22:56: 元ネタはどこから？
とりあえず今の議案の中にはそれらしいものは見当たらないけど。。。。
http://www.shugiin.go.jp/index.nsf/html/index_gian.htm
3　 くーる　 2005/08/04(Thu) 23:00: それが本当だったら、お金貯めて・・・
MR2登録抹消->ZZTかなにかの未登録新車のエンジン乗換え->新車登録(笑)
とか出来るのかな。

・・・２？
4　 1　 2005/08/04(Thu) 23:32: >>2
確かに、今の議案の中には見当たらないですね…
しかし、政治が国会の中だけで行われている訳ではないですから。
ここに議案が載ればもう、ほぼ可決されたも同然の状況なんじゃないでしょうか？
そうなる前になんとかしなければ。
たいちょさんが示して下さったリンク先を見ると、NOx・PM法と私的財産権の整合性とか、
そういった質疑がなされているようですが、現に、ディーゼルワゴン車乗りの方々は、
財産を奪われたも同然で、どういった議論がなされたのか、議論の内容によっては、
非常にマズい状況に進んでいくんじゃないかと心配です。
じっくり読んで来ます。
5　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2005/08/04(Thu) 23:32: 意味分からん。
抹消？未登録？なんなんだい？
6　 AW11　 2005/08/04(Thu) 23:50: ハァ？？
そんなんマジありえん！なんでもかんでも新しい車だけがええもんちゃうでな！
５３年規制車が乗れなくなったら、世の中もうムチャクチャやん！！！
ディーゼルの規制もムチャクチャやし、役人は何を考えてるんだか┐(ﾟ～ﾟ)┌

ほんまにそんな法案ができたらどないしたらいいん？？ＡＷに限らずクラシックカーとかさ、
神戸もやばいよね？
7　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2005/08/05(Fri) 23:19: S48年規制前の車は、博物館行きか？（ｗ
ｱｷｵのS30Zも走れなくなってﾜﾝｶﾞﾝﾐｯﾄﾞﾅｲﾄと終了か？
8　 ニダー＠ｉ　 2005/10/01(Sat) 05:11: ageて申し訳ないんですが…結局この噂の真意はどうなったんでしょうか…
昨日２型を契約してきたんですが…
9　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2005/10/01(Sat) 06:39: ただの噂かなんかでいちいちスレ立てるなってこった
雑談でやれよそんなもん
10　 1＠ｉ　 2005/10/01(Sat) 22:15: ん～ごめんなさいね。噂は噂の域を出ないというか何というか…
リアルで、といっても当てにはならない色んな人に、この件について聞いてみたけど、
ま、そういう噂は随分前からあるにはあるけど、という感じで、
核心に迫る情報はありませんでした。

総選挙前に、衆議院のサイトを検索していて分かった事は、
今年、オフロード車についても排ガス規制が敷かれる事になったという事が一つ。
オフロード車といっても道なき道を行く車というのではなくて、
ナンバープレートの登録の必要がない車両、例えば私有地内だけで運行するフォークリフト等の事です。
そう言えば、L&○の人が、K型エンジンが無くなるみたいな話しをしてたのだけど、
多分、この法律のせいなんでしょうね。
整備性の良さと信頼性に定評のあるOHVエンジンで、無くなると困ると仰ってました。

もう一つは、京都議定書を離脱したアメリカで、
シュワちゃんがとんでもなく厳しい排ガス規制を敷こうとしていて(パブリー法)、
それに対し、自動車メーカー各社が反対の訴訟を起こしている、という話。
しかも、訴訟を起こした企業の一つとして、衆議院での発言で、
真っ先に挙げられているのがトヨタなんです。
11　 1＠ｉ　 2005/10/01(Sat) 22:32: トヨタ、いや日本車といえば、70年代のマスキー法をいち早くクリアし、
また燃費についても大排気量のアメ車に対し優位に立ち、
マスキー法という障壁を逆にバネにして、貿易摩擦を引き起こすほどアメリカ市場を席巻した、
という経緯があるし、トヨタは現在、ハイブリッドカーで世界をリードしているのにも関わらず、
パブリー法に反対というのは不思議な印象を持ちますね。

次に、総選挙前に各党が政見公約を発表していましたが、その中で気になったのが公明党です。
公明党は重量税を本来の税率にする、乃ち現在の重量税の値下げを公約として掲げていたのです。
重量税の値下げはユーザーの車検費用の負担を減らすという意味で、
いい話じゃないかと思われるかも知れませんが、その一方で、公明党が、
これまで成立させてきた法律として誇らしげに宣伝していた中に、
グリーン化税制があるのです。
ご存知のように、グリーン化税制は、低燃費、低公害の新車は優遇し、
古い車には重税を科すという法律です。
12　 1＠ｉ　 2005/10/01(Sat) 23:26: グリーン化税制はNoxPM法のような、既販車の使用を中止させる法律ではありませんが、
重税を課す事で、間接的に、古い車の使用を諦めさせようとする意図の感じられる法律ですよね。
重量税の引下げという甘いアメに続いて、古い車の使用規制というムチが…
振り下ろされないとも限らないですよね。国会の動きには注意しておこうと決意した、
ここ一ヶ月半でした。
13　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2005/10/04(Tue) 07:32: 最近の車の後ろに「排ガス～％低減～」の誇らしげなステッカーが増えてきたけど
あくまで排ガスがきれいになっているのであって、燃料消費量が極端に減っているのでは
無いですよね。最近の車は大排気量化してきて何でも３．５Ｌ、４．５Ｌ
Ｖ６、Ｖ８当たり前になってきてますが、旧車でたまにしか乗らない車を
絶滅させても温暖化とかすべての問題を解決できないと思うのですが。
取るなら、燃料１Ｌに１円とか２円とか、環境税みたいに取れば良いのではないでしょうか？
そうすれば、大排気量車は贅沢だけど税金もいっぱい払う。
走る人も税金を払う。
そうすれば必然的に燃費の良い車を開発する。
カタログスペックで燃費が良くても悪くても関係なし。
給油量＝納税なんだから。
（どうせ取るならと言うだけで、課税強化賛成ではありません）
下手すれば排気量別の自動車税よりも良いかも。
車一台につき一律３万円とかにして後は燃料に課税。
こはいかに？？？？？？
14　 1＠ｉ　 2005/10/04(Tue) 11:04: >>13
低燃費のステッカーもあるみたいですよ。
低公害を認められた新車は翌年の自動車税が軽減されますが、
低燃費を認められた新車は取得税の軽減があるようです。
自動車税を一律3万円にして、ガソリンに1～2円、税金を上乗せするというアイデアですけど、
すでにガソリン税が課されていて、さらにガソリン価格にガソリン税を足した金額に対して
消費税が掛けられるという、税金に税金が課されるという矛盾が、
随分前から問題視されていますよね。
そこに更に税金を上乗せするのは難しいんじゃないでしょうか。
ただでさえ少なくなった旧車を絶滅させても、環境問題の解決にはならない、
という意見には同意ですね。政治家の方もそういう風に考えていてくれたらいいんですけどね。
15　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2005/10/18(Tue) 19:22: 私有地を走るフォークリフトまで規制されたら、
触媒無しのレース車両（Ｆ－１含む）は走れなくなるんかな？
日本ＧＰだけ触媒付きですか。
（出来ることなら触媒付きのレース車両で排ガス規制値をクリアするように）
車の開発をして欲しい。とは思っていますが。
16　 ひろー　 2005/10/18(Tue) 21:01: 自分で見たり調べた事ないけど、トヨタのリフトって触媒は付いてるんですかね？
毎日乗ってるけど排気ガスは全然くさくなかったので・・。
ちなみに今はプロパン仕様に変わりました。
ディーゼルもあったけど、出足が力強くて速いけど屋内で乗ってると排気ガスで
気持ち悪くなりましたよ。

2輪のツーリングの集団の信号待ちの後ろについたら、排気ガスで参りましたよ。
やっぱり触媒は必要なのかな？と思いました。
そういえば最近の2輪は触媒みたいなものが付いてるんだっけ？

個人的には2stの香りは嫌いじゃないですけど。。

全然関係ない話なのでsageです。
17　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人＠ｉ　 2006/02/13(Mon) 13:56: ▼△▼財産権を踏みにじる日本政府▼△▼
電気用品安全法の猶予期間終了し、PSE認証なし中古品が４月から売買禁止って知ってました？
こういう事ばっかりやって、本当に国民の為になると思ってるのだろうか。
18　 コピペでスマソ＠ｉ　 2006/02/28(Tue) 17:04: >日本が電話加入権で財産権侵害した時、私は不安に駆られたが、
>自分は固定電話持っていなかったので、何の行動も起こさなかった

>その次　日本はディーゼル車で財産権侵害した　私はさらに不安を感じたが
>自分はディーゼル車持っていないので、何の抗議もしなかった

>それから日本は　電気製品　中古車　家屋と　次々に財産権侵害の輪を広げていき
>その度に私の不安は増したが　それでも私は行動しなかった

>ある日　ついに日本は全ての物の個人所有を禁止してきた　そして私は自由主義者だった
>だから行動に立ち上がったが　その時はすべてがあまりにも遅かった

元ネタ↓

丸山真男著『現代政治の思想と行動』（未来社）より
マルチン＝ニーメラー牧師（1892.1.14～1984.3.6）の告白

ナチスが共産主義者を弾圧した時　私は不安に駆られたが
自分は共産主義者でなかったので　何の行動も起こさなかった

その次　ナチスは社会主義者を弾圧した　私はさらに不安を感じたが
自分は社会主義者ではないので　何の抗議もしなかった

それからナチスは学生　新聞　ユダヤ人と　順次弾圧の輪を広げていき
そのたびに私の不安は増大した　が　それでも私は行動に出なかった

ある日ついにナチスは教会を弾圧してきた　そして私は牧師だった
だから行動に立ち上がった　が　その時はすべてが　あまりにも遅かった
Martin Niemo"ller
19　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2006/03/03(Fri) 18:32: MR2って触媒抜くとすぐアフターファイヤするんですか？
20　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2006/03/06(Mon) 12:49: >>ひろー
工場内は排気ガスの関係でバッテリー車がおおいっすよ。
21　 slp　 2006/03/07(Tue) 14:50: >>19
水温が真ん中くらいならパンと音がした後にマフラー出口から青っぽい火が出る。
音だけなら吹かせば、いつでもアホみたいにパンパン音は出るけど、
ワンオフで作れば触媒が付いていてもパンパン音が出るマフラーもできる。
22　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2006/03/08(Wed) 21:29: >>21
スバルのサンバー(軽トラ)みたいだ・・・
23　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2006/03/08(Wed) 21:40: 青白い火は燃料が薄い証拠。
早めに対処しないと高温でピストンが溶けるよ(苦笑)
24　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2006/12/05(Tue) 09:18: 【環境】乗用車の「新燃費基準」政府案、2015年目標に平均で３割引き上げ19.5km/Lに
ttp://www.nikkei.co.jp/news/main/20061205AT3S0401F04122006.html
ν速+から抜粋コピペ。
排ガスではなく燃費の基準だけど、これをもとに使用規制やられたら…。
25　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2006/12/05(Tue) 13:04: 早めに　行動しなくては、とりあえず　選挙は行くようにしよう。
力合わせば、なんとかなるかも。
26　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2006/12/07(Thu) 03:05: 漏れ、がんがるよ！
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