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1　 たいちょ@会社(^^　 2003/02/20(Thu) 11:23: インマニに貼れば燃費が向上し、タイヤに貼れば性能アップ、ショックに貼れば減衰力アップ

まさに夢のアイテムですね．

http://www.sev.co.jp/
2　 たいちょ@会社(^^　 2003/02/20(Thu) 11:28: ってことで使ったことある人情報きぼんぬ。

ちなみにHPで取り上げられている国内特許第3065590号は原理ではなくて構造の特許でした．
銅板と鉛板の間にモナズ石の粉末を挟み込んだ構造について特許を取ってます．
原理は発明者本人も「完璧に説明するためには今後の更なる研究を待たなければならない」といってます。

ちなみにモナズ石というのはトリウムを含んだ鉱石でアルファ線を出します．
このα線というやつは透過力が弱く紙切れすら貫通できません。
こんなもん銅板ではさんでなんか効果あるんでしょうか？
3　 たいちょ@会社(^^　 2003/02/20(Thu) 11:43: ちなみに特許の全文は以下のURL（特許庁のHP）に行って
種別：B、番号：3065590で検索すれば見れます．

ttp://www.ipdl.jpo.go.jp/Tokujitu/tjsogodb.ipdl?N0000=101
4　 ななし＠マターリ　 2003/02/20(Thu) 12:04: モナザイトで効くのなら、死の灰を浴びると凄く燃費が良くなって減衰力アップしてタイヤのグリップもアップしそうですね。
5　 ななし＠マターリ　 2003/02/20(Thu) 12:27: 試しに、銅板と鉛板だけのもの（モナザイト抜き）でもつくってブラインドテストしてもらいますか。
いかにも効かなそう。
トルマリンとか備長炭とかアガリクス茸とか劣化ウランとか挟んでみるのも効くかもしれませんね。（心理的に）
劣化ウランは、別の意味で効きそうですが。
6　 へべれけぇ　 2003/02/20(Thu) 13:40: すごい!!
マイナスイオンでさえ科学的根拠がはっきりせず、効果のほどは疑問視しているのですが、ここまでくれば立派です!!
7　 ななし＠マターリ　 2003/02/20(Thu) 14:35: F&Fで検証してましたね。燃料パイプを挟むように取り付けるやつ。
全く効果がなかった訳だけど、巷ではSEVシリーズのなかで一番評判がいい物らしいという事で、
もしかしたらアルミ板の放熱(断熱？)効果で何かしらの変化がある車もあるかもしれない？みたいな結論だったと思う。
で、SEVの最近の新製品では、放射線だかなんだかの効果＋放熱効果で…みたいな事になってるのがある。
つくづく、ご都合主義だなあSEVって。
8　 ななし＠マターリ　 2003/02/20(Thu) 21:40: おそらく、かなり稀なＳＥＶ体験者だと思うので、カキコさせていただきます。
お店の勧めで、SEVを２個、２本だしマフラーの出口に付けてテストしました。
「変わるよ！体感できなかったら買わなくていい」
と、いうことだったのですが・・・体感できませんでした（笑）
「１週間くらい付けて外したら、トルクの落ちが分かった。」
と、いう人もいましたが・・・
9　 ななし＠マターリ　 2003/02/20(Thu) 22:27: 貴重な実体験報告ありがとうございます。
10　 もるー　 2003/02/21(Fri) 03:05: >>6
マイナスイオンって何イオンなんだと小１時間…
スレ違いsage
11　 へべれけぇ　 2003/02/21(Fri) 15:26: ポピュラーなのは OH<sup>-</sup> イオンでしょうか(w
同じくすれ違いsage
12　 ななし＠マターリ　 2003/02/21(Fri) 18:04: スーパーオキシドアニオンラジカルなんてのも、マイナスイオンですね。（毒）
引き続きスレ違いsage
13　 ななし＠マターリ　 2003/02/24(Mon) 21:05: SEVじゃないですが、サイクロン２って最近宣伝攻勢激しいですよね？試した人いますか？
あれも同様にオレには原理が難解・・・
14　 ななし＠マターリ　 2003/02/24(Mon) 21:57: ２リッターくらいのペットボトルに水を入れて
ひっくり返すと、「どぼっどぼっ」て言う感じで水が出ます。
しかし、口を固定して底のほうをぐるぐる回して、中の水を回転させたのち
そしてひっくり返すと、「どばー」と勢いよく水が出ます。
つまり、中の水を回転させると流れが良くなるわけですが…
サイクロンは吸気排気を回転させるわけですけど、
同じ効果が得られるか疑問です…
タービンで圧力かかってると効果あるかもしれないですね。
すれ違い…
15　 ななし＠マターリ　 2003/02/24(Mon) 22:30: >サイクロン2
付けた人が効果なかったと言ってますた。
レーシングドライバーのコメントってのはアテにならないなぁ。
飯■　章選手はココにも登場(藁)
ttp://www.shuei.co.jp/shopping/soup/cyclone/cyclone.html
16　 たいちょ@おうち　 2003/02/24(Mon) 22:36: >>14
ペットボトルの水が勢いよく出るのは水と空気の交換がスムーズになるから。
排気とは無関係ですなぁ。。。
17　 ななし＠マターリ　 2003/02/25(Tue) 09:19: >>15
金もらってのコメントだからね（ｗ
18　 ななし＠マターリ　 2003/02/25(Tue) 09:23: 仕事とはいえ、謎理論を考えるのも大変ですね。
19　 たいちょ@会社(^^；　 2003/02/28(Fri) 10:47: だれか知ってる人いたら教えて。

一般人の年間許容被爆線量1mSv/年ってエネルギー換算すると何W/kgぐらいになるの？

1(mSv)/365(day)/24(hour)/3600(sec)=0.0317nSv=0.0317nW/kg
でよい？
20　 ななし＠マターリ　 2003/03/05(Wed) 15:05: >>19
それが正しいかどうか漏れには解らないが
それが正しいとして
どういう結論に結び付けたいの？
21　 たいちょ@会社(^^；　 2003/03/05(Wed) 16:45: >>20
特にどうしたいというわけじゃないけど、いろいろ調べてて、シーベルトとかグレイとかって単位は出てくるんだけどイメージが湧かないのよ。
なもんで、身近な単位に換算してどれぐらいのエネルギーなのかなぁ？と疑問に思ったもんで(^^;
22　 名外人　 2003/03/06(Thu) 19:00: >>21
ttp://www.rerf.or.jp/
ここは見た？
23　 たいちょ@おうち　 2003/03/07(Fri) 01:20: >>22
見ました。が、特に目新しいのは見つけられませんでした。
24　 ななし＠マターリ　 2003/03/14(Fri) 10:13: 長期テスト車に“SEV-HB”を貼ったらしい。
↓これの4月号を探してみて！
ttp://www.shinchosha.co.jp/engine/latest/index.html
マンセーなのかアンチなのか、今のところ分からないが、
次号が非常に楽しみ。
25　 ななし＠マターリ　 2004/08/07(Sat) 22:17: トップページの広告リンクにSEVがあった。
意外だったのでage
26　 somei　 2004/08/07(Sat) 22:35: 今はじめてＳＥＶってのを知って説明を読んでみたんですが
ものすごく眉唾な気がしますね。

どこかのスレのたいちょさんの言葉じゃないですが
それだけ良い事尽くめならクルマ会社なら採用しててもいいような。
プリウスなんて燃料効率にそうとうの検討をしてるでしょうから
これだけエネルギー効率がＵＰするなら採用されてそうなものですが
27　 ななし＠マターリ　 2004/08/07(Sat) 23:07: チ○ポに貼るとスゲー効くらしいが（ｗ
28　 ななし＠マターリ　 2005/02/15(Tue) 09:12: >>16
一年前のレスにレス。

激しく同意です。排気とは仕組みが違いますね。

見た目には排気の湯気（笑）が出口で回転して見えるので
すごそうではあるんですが。
29　 ななし＠マターリ　 2005/02/15(Tue) 10:04: >>28
二年前だな。
30　 ななし＠マターリ　 2005/02/15(Tue) 10:19: 某サーキットにどこぞのショップのデモカーのMR-Sが来てて、
NAなのにSWのターボと同等タイムでめちゃくちゃ速かったんだけど、
エンジンルームにSEVが貼ってあって萎えた（ｗ
31　 ななし＠マターリ　 2005/12/15(Thu) 13:58: ホントに効果があるならF1の世界でカリスマ・メカニックは全員失業してるよｗｗ
32　 ななし＠マターリ　 2005/12/15(Thu) 13:59: ホントに効果があるなら大手自動車メーカーが血眼になって争奪戦繰り広げてるよｗｗ
33　 ななし＠マターリ　 2005/12/15(Thu) 14:01: ホントに効果があるなら世界中の権威が理論と効能を実証して製品を宣揚してるよｗｗ
34　 ななし＠マターリ　 2005/12/15(Thu) 14:04: ブレーキに貼ったら効きが良くなってスノーボードに貼ったら滑りが良くなるという主張はワロタ。つまり便秘薬と下痢止めの成分は同じであって、着火剤は消化剤としても使えるのであって、ストーブとクーラーの原理は同じと言ってる訳ですな？
35　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2005/12/16(Fri) 08:23: SEVでティムポびんびんにならないかな
36　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2005/12/16(Fri) 09:10: >>35
以前試してみたけどそりゃもう凄かったよ。
血流が良くなったためか普段の5割増。
でもピストン運動は抵抗が減ったためか気持ち良さ5割減。
37　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2005/12/16(Fri) 18:20: ををを　さすがSEV様　飛躍的に身体機能が増し抵抗が減るのであれば
ドーピングいらずで一般人がオリンピック選手並みになれる原理ですなw
腹の出たオバサンに装着させて引き締まったアスリート共を駆逐しているの見てみたいw
世界に誇るSEV真理が通販で買えるなんてさすがは先進国日本だな
38　 ななし＠マターリ　 2007/02/05(Mon) 20:40: >ＳＥＶってどうよ？ 1　名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/02/05(Mon) 04:22
>量販店なんかで見かける
>ＳＥＶあれってホントのところ効果あるんですかね？
>ヘッドに貼るタイプから
>エアクリに貼るシールや室内に置くタイプまで
>いろいろとラインナップ有るけど皆さん
どう思われますか(?_?)
mr2.jp/cgi-bin/BBS/readres.cgi?bo=MR2&vi=1170616919&rm=75

あるある捏造が世間の話題になったこの時期に、
この話題を振るところが素敵な1さんですね。
こっちのスレッドは読んだのかなあ。
39　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/02/05(Mon) 20:54: 納豆をおいしいと感じて食べていた人はいいとして、
刺激される嘔吐中枢をねじ伏せてまで食べていた人
には心から謝って欲しい。

けど、そこまでして納豆食う奴には同情できないような気もするｗｗｗ

SEV？インチキでしょ。
40　 ななし＠マターリ＠ｉ　 2007/02/05(Mon) 21:39: >>38
今カキコミ見ました（笑）
誘導ありがとう。
41　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/02/05(Mon) 23:17: 人が『あれはいいゾ』と言ってたから急いで食べ始めるのは典型的な日本人。
しかもその結果自分の気に入らないことが起これば『あいつが言ったんだから俺はわるくない』
と責任転換を行うのも典型的な日本人。

恥ずかしいな。
42　 問題児＠ｉ　 2007/02/06(Tue) 02:08: 私の知り合いが
ＳＥＶにこってて
既に３０万円分オーバー

体感して下さいっと言われて今、室内に置くタイプのを、置いてますが
イマイチ鈍感な私には
効果が解らない（？。？”）

ＳＥＶ（ー'`ー;）
43　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/02/06(Tue) 02:28: 仕事で使う道にSEVのショップがあるけど
ポルシェだとか羽振りの良さそうなお客ばっか
入ってるように見えるな～
デモ車はガライヤとアルピーヌ？だっけかな。
なんだかんだで客は入ってるし、儲かってるのかなぁ
ぶっちゃけ、興味は無いけど･･･
44　 ななし＠マターリ＠ｉ　 2007/02/06(Tue) 06:14: SEV付けてるクルマを見ると、金持ちなんだなあとは思う。
俺だったら、その金で焼肉でも食べるw
45　 問題児＠ｉ　 2007/02/06(Tue) 17:15: 焼き肉に１票 p(^^)q
46　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/02/06(Tue) 21:21: 焼肉食べる　→　重量増　→　パワーウェイトレシオ悪化　→　遅くなる（;´д｀）
47　 ななし＠マターリ＠ｉ　 2007/02/06(Tue) 21:55: 細かい事気にするな、肉がまずくなるぞ。
48　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/02/07(Wed) 06:34: 最近、焼肉屋行ってないな･･･
49　 問題児＠ｉ　 2007/03/03(Sat) 10:12: 先日、焼肉屋にて
生レバー食べました(^0^)/

試験的にＳＥＶ借りて
付けてたのを、外しましたが、変化に気付きませんでした w(ﾟoﾟ)w
室内に取り付けるタイプでした。
50　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/03/03(Sat) 11:14: >>49
生はちょっと･･･
51　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/03/03(Sat) 12:24: レバ刺しは旨いけど最近は家畜の安全性が疑わしいし、肝臓ってのは解毒作用を司る所だから怖い部分でもあるよね。
かくいう自分は今、スジ肉を圧力鍋で処理中。
脂身を湯通しするから、カロリーも減って健康的だよ。
52　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/03/03(Sat) 20:25: 以前はスジの下処理に圧力鍋を使ってなかったんだけど、
あれは時間の掛かる作業だったなぁ。なんで使って
なかったのか今はわからん。当時も圧力鍋持ってたのに。

すっげえスレ違いｗｗｗ
53　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/03/03(Sat) 22:15: 圧力鍋ってヘルシーなのか･･･
明日見てこよう
54　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/03/04(Sun) 01:55: >>53
短時間の高熱で処理するから、栄養価も損なわれにくいね。
スジ肉自体は一度煮てから煮汁を捨てて、再度煮る事で脂を落とすから
どちらかと言えばヘルシーだよ。
おでんの大根とかも普通は3時間以上で味が浸み込むのが、30分煮るだけで済む。
安いのは2000円以下で出ているから、普通の鍋購入するよりも良いかもね？
2時間ドラマの帝王のカミさんが宣伝している奴じゃなくとも、使い方を誤らなければ
効果は同じで、大きな問題は無いよ。
55　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/03/04(Sun) 12:00: おぉ！いっちょ買いに行くか！
で、ＳＷに2人乗ってて圧力鍋って載る？トランクはガラクタ一杯で･･･
56　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/03/04(Sun) 12:56: >>55
業務用じゃなきゃ、相方のひざの上に載ると思うよ。
57　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/03/04(Sun) 23:10: 奮発してティファールってやつがいいと言われたので買いました。
福沢さん飛んで逝ったよ･･･タケェ。

ヒザ上で帰ってきましたｗ
58　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/03/05(Mon) 11:41: スレ違いはわかってるけど俺も参加ｗ

圧力鍋の世界へようこそ。圧力鍋がなければ実現しない料理から、
今まで数時間掛かっていた煮込みを数十分に短縮できる料理まで
いろいろあるけど、鍋が重い！以外には特にデメリットがない道具
なのでずっぽりとその世界にはまってください！！！
59　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2007/03/05(Mon) 14:48: >>58
最近はアルミの圧力鍋もあるでよ。
60　 ななし＠マターリ　 2008/01/14(Mon) 23:38: でもやっていたので試した。燃料供給パイプに張るヤツとクーラントに張るヤツ。そして、真鍮の棒にＳＥＶを張って、たわみのポイントが変わるというデモ。
いずれも効果があった。
燃料パイプ、クーラントはアイドリングの回転数が若干上昇、ふけ上がりに明らかな違いが、真鍮の棒にＳＥＶをモデル化したアルミテープを貼ったところたわみ方に明らかな違いが。

うーん、半信半疑だったので非常に驚いた。
一方で、燃料パイプに張った方については、異種金属の接触による燃料への電位が影響しているように感じた。
したがって、ちょっとした金属の組み合わせでも再現しないかトライ中。
61　 身内キター　 2008/01/23(Wed) 03:18: ＞60は身内の書き込みだろ？ネットで情報など集めない無知な金持ち相手の上手な商売だよね。ヤフオクで2000円程度の商品に性能で負けているのに。
63　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2009/06/16(Tue) 12:05: ちょっと検索すれば，「シャシダイにも効果が現れない物」って判るだろうに。
そんな物に金を出したくは無いなぁ。
66　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2009/06/23(Tue) 18:37: なんで１年以上前の書き込みに突っ込み入れてるの？
なんで１年以上前の書き込みに突っ込み入れてるの？
70　 イエロー　 2009/06/26(Fri) 16:01: ＳＥＶが笑えるから！
ＳＥＶが笑えるから！
71　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2009/07/19(Sun) 09:14: 昔のＣＢ見たら村尾さんが絶賛しててワロタ
83　 ななし＠マターリ　 2009/10/16(Fri) 16:24: F1とかスーパーGTとかで使ってるの見たことないし。
効果あるならすでに軍事用で使われてるはず。

凌ぎを削る現場ならまず
採用するでしょうね。
84　 ななし＠マターリ　 2009/10/17(Sat) 10:36: 雑誌で特集してプロが絶賛したりGTマシンが使っていたりするのは
広告費関連の兼ね合いだからね。
そりゃスポンサー商品の悪口を堂々と言えないでしょ。
結局それに釣られる消費者が無くならない限り
この体制は変わらないよ。
消費者自身が良し悪しを見極める目と判断力を養っていかないと。
85　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2009/10/29(Thu) 13:00: ただの高価なアルミの飾りでそ？
こんなもので簡単に燃費やパワーがUPするなら
とっくにメーカーが開発＆採用してるってーの。
しかも、開発者自身が原理解明できてないし（笑
試験方法も同一条件じゃないし、プラシーボの塊だね。

アーシングも一緒。電線多すぎて重くなるだけだし。
ただし、電装品が増えたり、純正で不足してる部分だけに効果あるが。
86　藤沢　 2010/01/13(Wed) 07:10: 　以前（昨年中頃）SEV 様の代理店にて、ルーパーを購入致しましたが、半年も経つと固くなり外した後も固まっている状態が残りアルミ？の両端が取れそうに柔らかくなり他は延ばしても、先程話した様固まったまま、無理に延ばそうとしても直らない。これでも効果はあるのか？もう効果不能。？？？？？？？？
87　 ななし＠マターリ　 2010/01/13(Wed) 17:32: ただの金属の板を貼っただけで車の各部の性能が上がると思い込んでいる人は
宗教の勧誘にもひっかかりやすそうだな。

神社のお守りなんかも
ただの布と紙をありがたがっているようなものだけどね。
信仰の問題か。
88　 イエロー　 2010/01/13(Wed) 20:18: 信仰は自由だぞ
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