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1　 1　 2001/10/26(Fri) 18:09: 赤いの、青いの。　綺麗だなー♪

切符を貰ったことがある人も多いはず。
今までに貰った切符について語り、反省しましょう。
基本的にコテハン禁止で行きましょー！！

今朝高速道路で43km/h超過で捕獲されました。鬱だ…
238　 ななし＠マターリ＠ｉ　 2008/03/31(Mon) 00:03: 死亡事故のリスクは速度と共に比例する。
239　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 00:27: >>238
そりゃある程度事実だが、安全装備も日々向上しているんだよね。
死亡事故自体は減少してても、事故件数全体で見れば増加。
ＰＢＩあたりにも出ているでしょ？
240　 ななし＠マターリ＠ｉ　 2008/03/31(Mon) 01:06: >>239
安全装備が日々向上して、事故が増加してるんですね。承知しました。
で、何が言いたいのですか？
241　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 01:18: >>239
それなら速度取締りを完全撤廃してほしいという事？
それこそ無法地帯となりそう。
常識のある人はそこそこのスピードに抑えるけど
馬鹿は基地外なスピードで市街地でも暴走するのが目に見えている。
242　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 02:06: つまらん煽りだなぁ。
もっと面白い事書いてくれよ｡>>240-241
誰も無法地帯を作れとか、取締りの撤廃をすれとは書いてないでしょ？
243　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 07:58: ならどうすればいいんだよ？
244　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 09:45: 東京都などが良い例だけど、残念ながら市街地の制限速度を
50km/hから40km/hに落とした多くの地域で交通事故率が低下している。

全国の高速道路では100km/hから80km/hに落とした区間で交通事故率が低下している。

どこまでも落とせば良いということではないだろうけど、この程度の
制限の強化であれば実際に交通事故を減らせているということ。

そもそも、隠れて取り締まっているような警察に気付くことなく
捕まるようなマヌケ、という言い方は良くないとは思うけど、
そういう「気付かない場所」に隠れているのが取り締まり関係者だから
良いものの、ボールを追いかけて飛び出してくる子どもだったらどうすんの？
「子どもには気付くんだよ！」とか言えないよな？
245　 ななし＠マターリ　 2008/03/31(Mon) 10:56: ま、ちょっとやっちゃった☆程度のスピード違反は1回じゃ赤切符貰わない罠。

何度も繰り返したり、一発で赤切符貰うような違反するような奴は弁護とか擁護とか
そういうものとは無縁の犯罪者だよ。そういうことさ。

反則金から罰金に変わる、その線を踏み越えてしまったらいけないってことさ。
246　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 13:09: >>244
事故率が落ちても、事故件数自体が上がってたら意味無いじゃん。
母数の増大で薄められている数字のマジックに気づかなければ、机上の空論だよ。

>>245
だから、罰金レベルのスピード違反は話題になってないだろ？
勘違い君だなぁｗ
247　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 13:38: >>246
事故件数だけは誤魔化し利かないからねぇ。
248　 ななし＠マターリ　 2008/03/31(Mon) 13:55: >>246
繰り返せば免停になるよ。軽微なものでも。

軽微なものを1回2回ならわかるが、それ以上繰り返すのはやっぱりバカ。
249　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 14:10: >>248
だから、繰り返す奴を擁護して無いでしょ？
際どい所で締め付けてもかえって反感買うだけだし、そこに拘っているのは限りなく○○と同等だと思われるんだが？
250　 ななし＠マターリ　 2008/03/31(Mon) 14:27: >>249
きわどいって部分を見逃したり甘くしたりして、
結果、何がどうなるって？

現在チョロイ捕まり方してる、取締りの警察官が目に入らない
ヘタクソが増えるだけじゃないの？意図的に隠れてる奴らよりも、
意図せずに物陰から出てきてしまう歩行者や自転車の方が怖いって
わからないのかな？だから、せめて警察官くらい見つけてよｗ

見つけられそうにないなら、スピードを落として走るってのでもいいよ？
むしろ、そういう視野の人ほどスピードは落とすべき。
251　 ななし＠マターリ　 2008/03/31(Mon) 14:35: OK。再確認しようぜ。

まずね、現在の取り締まりに大して不満があるという時点でどっかおかしい思考なんだよ。

だって、多くの人はあんまり捕まることないし。一部のダメな人が捕まってこうやって意味不明で被害妄想でしかない不満を述べるわけだ。

残念ながら俺も赤切符貰ったことがある人間なので偉そうなことは言えないけど、
今はゴールド免許。そして、今も同じMR2に乗ってるし、反省したところも、
現在の運転にフィードバックしたところもたくさんある。

ひどい違反をするような人間はやはりそれなりに罰を受けるのが当然。
そして、次のステージとしては、>>249が言うような主張が甘えでしかないということを
学ぶことだと思うね。際どい、小さな、「これくらい・・・」という違反は、
それよりもひどい違反と実は少しの差しかないということ。
小さな違反を「際どい」とか「少しくらい」と考えることは、
よほど素晴らしい人間でない限り、基準はどんどん甘くエスカレートしていく。

別に際どいところを厳しく締め付けて、一部のダメなドライバーの反感を買おうとも、
交通社会全体にとってはどうでも良いというか、ダメドライバーの免許が
停止・取り消しされていく元になるなら歓迎とすら言えよう。

全員が同じ法律の下に免許を持たされ、等しく扱われていることを理解しようよ。
別に一部のダメドライバーを捕まえるためだけに特別ルールがあるわけじゃない。
全員同じルールで、捕まるのが一部っていうだけ。その一部は実際に
その瞬間に違反をしてたってこと。嫌なら違反しないでいるか、蜜からないようにしたらいい。
252　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 14:42: >>250
君はそういうチョロイ乗り方して捕まったんだね。
でなければそんなに詳しくは書けないだろうし、洗脳されてしまったんだね。

歩行者や警察官を比べる事自体がナンセンスだし、誰だって好きで事故を起こす訳でもないだろう。
交通弱者（歩行者や自転車）というのは誰だって理解出来るし、イカサマやっているＫ官を見つけろってｗｗｗ
やっぱり○○と同等でしょ。
あえて彼らは見つからない様に取り締まっているんだから。
253　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 14:47: >>251
犯罪者乙。
白黒とグレーゾーンの境目を決める事は、愚かな事だと思うよ。
色が混ざる段階では、誰しもグレーを否定出来ないしむしろそういう曖昧さが無ければ混乱する。
現在ゴールド？だから何？
見つからないように違反してた人間だろうとペーパーだろうと変わりは無いでしょ？
254　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 14:54: >>251
集団暴走が捕まらずに、単独の違反が捕まるというおかしな理論を肯定するのですね？
完全に白黒付けたいならオービスで済む話では？
255　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 15:21: なんだっていいよ。危険な人が捕まる、普通の社会であればそれで。

必死で抵抗してせいぜい違反を積み重ねれば？どこまで行けば自分がバカだと気付くのか知らないけど頑張れよ。
256　 ななし＠マターリ　 2008/03/31(Mon) 15:24: 必死に取り締まり批判してる奴らは基本的に違反を繰り返してる奴でしょ？

取締りが今よりも甘くなって、喜ぶのって誰？違反者だけじゃんｗ
257　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 15:24: >>255
違反を積み重ねたいと誰も思っている訳でないでしょ？
絡む相手を間違えているのでは？
258　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 15:27: >>256
誰も甘くしろなんて書いてませんよ？
ミスリードするから話がややこしくなるのでは？
259　 ななし＠マターリ　 2008/03/31(Mon) 15:29: 結論、ピーピー言ってるのって捕まったバカだけだろ？ｗｗｗｗｗｗ

ハイハイおつかれさんｗｗｗ
260　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2008/03/31(Mon) 15:38: >>259
ｵﾏｴﾓﾅｰwww
同類乙。
261　 ななし＠マターリ　 2008/04/15(Tue) 09:55: ねずみ捕りやっててレーダーが鳴ってブレーキを踏んだが１５ｋｍ/ｈぐらいは超過して
たので、ヤバイと思ったが、運よく右に逸れる道があり、そこに入って行ったが白バイ
もPCも追っかけて来なかった！
逃げ切れたのかな？現行犯じゃないと捕まらない？
ネズミ捕りをやる場合、普通速度測定器のところから、実際に車を止める　
所までの間で逃げれるような道があるところで取締りをやるかなー？
確かに右折するときその先でけい官が赤灯らしきものをバツにして振ってたのが
チラッと見えたが・・・
262　 ななし＠マターリ　 2008/04/15(Tue) 10:13: むちゃくちゃ振り切って逃げた、とかじゃない限り、
面倒なのでいちいち捕まえないね。こういうのは後から
捕まえようとしてもどうせ裁判になるのが予想できるけど、
抱えている裁判の数が半端じゃないので優先順位を考えて
どう見ても下位のものをわざわざ増やすようなことはしない。

とは言うものの、焦って逸れた先で歩行者をはねてしまったりと、
そういう状況での事故はすごく多いもの。これを教訓にして
もうちょっと運転を変えていくべきだと思うよ。
263　 誘導age　 2009/03/04(Wed) 11:43: 4370　紫の彗星　 2009/03/04(Wed) 00:17

やっちまった。●奈自動車道路で１０キロオーバーで検挙されちゃった。
たかが１０キロでも捕まえる時は捕まえるんだね。あ～自分が情けない。
ところで、「制限速度が低すぎる！」と思った事はありませんか？
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4371　名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2009/03/04(Wed) 09:15

>>4370
スレ違い。

http://mr2.jp/cgi-bin/BBS/readres.cgi?bo=ANY&vi=1004087290

違反関連はこっちでどうぞ。

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4372　ブラック　 2009/03/04(Wed) 09:46

制限速度が低すぎる！何て何度思ったことか。
制限速度なんて車種やチューニングの度合いによって1台1台決めていけばいいのに。
あと、運転手のスキルを＋して。
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264　 ななし＠マターリ　 2009/03/04(Wed) 11:44: 取り締まり現場だと気付かずに走行してしまうような不注意な運転手は、
やっぱり普段からちゃんとスピードを落として走行すべきだと誰もが思ってるよ。
265　 ななし＠マターリ＠ｉ　 2009/03/04(Wed) 12:17: じゃあブラックは
常時30キロな
266　 ななし＠マターリ　 2009/03/04(Wed) 13:20: 取り締まりに気付かないような奴が飛び出してくる子どもを予測して運転するなんてのは不可能だしな。>>264はうまいこと言うねえ。
267　 ななし＠マターリ　 2009/03/04(Wed) 14:00: その昔、一旦停止を無視して捕まった。
警官に「アソコ、解らなかったの？」
と聞かれたので
「えぇ、見張ってるって、全然気付きませんでした。」

それ以降、会話はなく淡々と切符を切られた（泣
268　 イエロー　 2009/03/04(Wed) 16:39: 取り締まりに気付くような奴でも飛び出してくる子どもを予測して
回避できる運転するなんてのは不可能だな。
269　 ななし＠マターリ　 2009/03/04(Wed) 17:04: 飛び出す可能性のある道路を、そのように運転することが義務付けられてるのだから、不可能と言い切るなら乗るなよ。
270　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2009/03/04(Wed) 22:04: >>268
だから回避できる確率を減少させない為にスピードを抑えるんだろ？
時速40キロと時速80キロでの走行を比較したら
ドライバーの動体視力も車の制動距離もだいぶ違うだろうに
271　 ななし＠マターリ＠ｉ　 2009/03/05(Thu) 01:17: そんなにスピード出る車作ったメーカーが悪い。

じゃ駄目？
272　 レッド＠ｉ　 2009/03/05(Thu) 01:44: 以下、警察に捕まった時の言い訳になります。

で、電話なんて掛けてネーヨ！耳が痒かったんだよ！
273　 ななし＠マターリ＠ｉ　 2009/03/05(Thu) 03:08: はい、それではその電話機押収するね！
通話記録照合するから。

で終わります。
274　 イエロー　 2009/03/05(Thu) 05:25: よし、大型みたいに90㎞/hリミッターつけちゃえ！
275　 ななし＠マターリ　 2009/03/05(Thu) 09:36: 絶対に捕まりたくない人はスピードを守ればいい。
たまにはスピードを出しちゃうけど、捕まりたくはないという人は、取締りをしている場所ではスピードを出さなければいい。

周囲を全く気にしないDQNはどこでもスピードを出したままだから、危険だし、よく捕まる。

実によくできた仕組みじゃないか。取締りが無かったらどこでもスピード出すような一部の危険ドライバーのせいで俺たちは公道なんて利用できなくなるぜ。
276　 ななし＠マターリ＠ｉ　 2009/03/05(Thu) 12:37: 今日の朝犬の散歩してたら細い道なのにノンストップでとばしてきた車がいた。とばすのも勝手だけど道を見極めて走ってほしい！道によっては法廷速度以下で走った方がいい場所もあるし…一概に法廷速度が遅いとは言い切れない気がする。
277　 ななし＠マターリ　 2009/03/05(Thu) 13:09: 話をぶった切るのが得意な俺が今朝捕まりましたよ。

11km/h超過って初めて聞いたよ。

赤以外の切符を貰ったのも初めてだけどなｗｗ
278　 イエロー　 2009/03/05(Thu) 16:31: サーキット池
279　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2009/03/05(Thu) 19:28: 日本もこんな感じなんだろう。
ttp://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/3966327/
280　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2009/03/05(Thu) 20:10: いっその事どこでもスピード無制限でいいから
それで事故を起こしたら物損人身問わずに死刑か極刑にするという事にすれば
一人一人が自分の技量に合った運転に目覚めないかな？
281　 イエロー　 2009/03/05(Thu) 22:09: >>280
人口も減るしね。
問題は泣き寝入りが増えるのは納得いかない。
282　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2009/03/05(Thu) 22:28: >>281
事故を起した奴の言い訳を聞いたこと、ありますか？
283　 イエロー　 2009/03/06(Fri) 05:17: >>282
交通警察２４時とかでやってるよな
いってることが自己中全開だｗｗｗ
284　 ななし＠マターリ　 2009/03/06(Fri) 19:33: >>280
俺も一度痛い目を見て懲りたクチだが
その痛い目の程度によっては一生取り返しのつかなくなる場合だってあるからなぁ

飲酒運転だって厳罰化されてから件数も減ってるし
飲酒運転に対する意識も昔に較べてだいぶ変わったと思うよ
285　 ななし＠マターリ＠ｉ　 2009/03/07(Sat) 01:42: 解れば良いよ。
286　 ななし＠マターリ　 2009/03/07(Sat) 09:37: >>280
軽微な事故ですら死に物狂いで逃走するよな。

交通事故起こした後逃げない奴はバカだと思うが。そのルール。
287　 イエロー　 2009/03/07(Sat) 10:48: >>286
まつがいなく皆逃げるなｗｗｗ
288　 ななし＠マターリ　 2009/03/07(Sat) 12:57: 罪と罰ってのは釣り合いが取れていなければ意味がないのだよ。
矛盾を抱えたままにしておくと、別の矛盾が生まれる。

飲酒運転がいい例だろう。

事故を起こした場合、事故現場から逃げて、
後から飲酒の事実がわからないようにひき逃げ犯として自首した方が
トータルコストが安くなるケースがある。こんな状態だから
いつになっても逃げて逃げて逃げまくる。毎年毎年、一体何件繰り返すのか。

厳しくしたらそれだけで何か解決するなら、
飲酒運転を厳罰化する前に、飲酒＝死刑にしたらどうだろうか。
酒にまつわるあらゆる犯罪を0にできそうだ。なぜやらないのだろうか。
実際、厳罰化したところで犯罪は0にならない。現状でも飲酒運転はなくなっていない。
とにかく何かを改善しようとする時に最初に厳罰化を口にする奴がこの世で最もバカなのは
いつの時代にも変わらないルールみたいなものなんだろうな。成功したためしがない。

制限速度を下げることと厳罰化を同一視して話を進めるバカが登場しないことを祈る。
289　 レッド＠ｉ　 2009/03/07(Sat) 14:15: ハンムラビ法復活の時か…
290　 ななし＠マターリ＠ｉ　 2009/03/07(Sat) 16:36: これでバカって言った奴が馬鹿なのは証明されましたか？
291　 イエロー　 2009/03/07(Sat) 21:46: 飲酒運転で事故した香具師を死刑にしまくったら
いなくなるんじゃね？

飲酒運転はリピーターが多いのはまつがいないんだろ？
292　 レッド＠ｉ　 2009/03/07(Sat) 23:16: そういえば日産が飲んだら乗るな成らぬ飲んだら乗れない車造ってなかったっけ
293　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2009/03/08(Sun) 08:39: >>292
センサーが粗悪品で、いまだ世に出ないらしい。
294　 イエロー　 2009/03/08(Sun) 11:17: ﾆｻｰﾝのｾﾝｻｰ類はﾀﾞﾒﾎﾟ
295　 nori　 2010/04/04(Sun) 20:44: 本当に呼び出しにも応じなくても、逮捕しに来ないのですか？
私の場合、会社のトラックを運転中にカメラが光ったのですが何かうまくかわせる方法などありませんか？
296　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2010/04/05(Mon) 03:23: >>295
無理だろｗ
297　 ななし＠マターリ　 2010/04/05(Mon) 09:50: >>295
状況による。ホントにつまらん違反で、呼び出しに応じないものの全てを
逮捕したり処理したりするだけの処理能力（に余裕）がないのは事実。
優先順位の低いものは無視されること「も」良くある。ただし、
それが自分の件であるとは限らないので。

ちなみに、顔がうまく撮影できない車種（アメ車に多い）の場合は
特に後回しになる傾向があるのか、知人は3回もスルーされている。
298　 ななし＠マターリ　 2010/06/10(Thu) 16:21: あー、人生最低の11km/hで捕まった。滅多に見ることないだろ、こんな低速。

最低でも15km/hしか見たことなかったのに。
299　 レッド＠ｉ　 2010/06/10(Thu) 21:46: 全裸で運転するなとあれほど……
300　 ななし＠マターリ　 2010/06/11(Fri) 10:32: いや、全裸ではないよ。海辺だったから下はブーメランパンツだけど、
上は薄いパーカーも着てたし、それほど問題じゃないはず。

よく11km/hで捕まえようと思ったよなあ。自分ではなんで止められたのかわかってなかったよｗ
301　 レッド＠ｉ　 2010/06/12(Sat) 08:47: あー海辺だったらブーメランパンツは仕方ないかー

…………

って、なんでやねんw

じゃなくて結局なんだったん罪と罰？
302　 ななし＠マターリ　 2010/06/12(Sat) 11:13: いや、普通にスピード違反orz

海開き前に遊びに行っておこうと、水着にパーカーで運転中に。
303　 ななし＠マターリ　 2010/06/12(Sat) 18:32: 女性は海の近くを水着にパーカーでOK。

男性は海の近くを水着でパトカーでFA。

　
これ、日本の常識な？
　
　
304　 レッド＠ｉ　 2010/06/12(Sat) 19:16: >>302
答えを貰ってもまだ解せない俺は残念な奴ぜよ。

>>303
わーw一文字違うだけで立派な女尊男卑ーw
(大日本帝国さいこー)

中学の頃水泳部だったんでブーメランパンツ(競泳水着)は得意だが、

入部したての頃は大変だったぜ。
集合の時間女の先輩達が俺の股間をジロジロ、ニヤニヤ見て来て、
なんだ？と思い視線を辿って見ると、

案内矢印ヨロシク、
棒の部分が左にぐいんっと「あっちですよー」
と勝手に案内していてかなりまいったぜ。
(そのあと先輩達のを見て縦にするか、下に向けるかして履く事を学んだが)
305　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2010/06/13(Sun) 17:31: つファウルカップ
306　 ななし＠マターリ　 2010/10/11(Mon) 20:06: 罰金と反則金が区別できない人がいるスレは、ここですか？
307　 ななし＠マターリ　 2010/10/12(Tue) 09:27: 罰金と反則金どころか、「減点」とか勘違いしている人もいますね。

ただ、世間一般的にはそういう勘違い多いですよ。
308　 ななし＠マターリ　 2010/10/13(Wed) 09:54: 近いところにタバコを買いに行くだけだからとステテコで乗車。

帰り道に15km/hオーバーで捕まり、車を降りるのを拒否したら大騒ぎにorz
309　 イエロー　 2010/10/14(Thu) 05:21: 夏は甚平でＧＳとかコンビにに逝くぞ
310　 名無しさん＠陽気な不良外人　 2010/10/14(Thu) 10:20: 甚平とステテコだったら、甚平の方が恥ずかしくないだろｗ
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